tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14427229.post5951468987824898999..comments2023-08-26T10:21:07.251-04:00Comments on Japers' Rink: Rates And ContextJPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13144581988817631208noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14427229.post-7497903721527631622008-09-12T15:08:00.000-04:002008-09-12T15:08:00.000-04:00tg said...So I guess I think stats can be useful, ...tg said...<BR/><BR/><I>So I guess I think stats can be useful, but they can't be the end-all be-all and I don't think you'll have a team take up a "Moneyball" view of hockey players anytime soon.</I><BR/><BR/>There was an article or two about Vancouver Canucks GM Mike Gillis leaning towards this type of player analysis<BR/><BR/>Link: http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/sports/story.html?id=Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14427229.post-61525531342680072932008-09-12T14:12:00.000-04:002008-09-12T14:12:00.000-04:00I like when stats tell me that the Caps kick ass a...I like when stats tell me that the Caps kick ass and everyone else sucks. Those are the only worthwhile stats.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14427229.post-63765556482596668252008-09-12T13:32:00.000-04:002008-09-12T13:32:00.000-04:00It should be against the law for anyone to bring u...<I>It should be against the law for anyone to bring up flash or fehr having breakout years. Stop it......it has been too long. They are disappointments that have proved nothing.</I><BR/><BR/>How do you define too long? Two years in the NHL? I guess you're not a big Laich fan then are you? His first 2 years combined he had 15G 24A. In less games than Laich's first two seasons Flash already hasAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13981673473233578367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14427229.post-92058803868940598362008-09-12T12:42:00.000-04:002008-09-12T12:42:00.000-04:00An even MORE interesting technique would be to tak...An even MORE interesting technique would be to take the guys and seperate them by coach. I wonder what OV, Backs, Nyls, Semin et al. did under Boudreau as opposed to Hanlon. I think you'd get a pretty different set of stats (obviously), one that would more accurately reflect what you can expect this year.wittcap79https://www.blogger.com/profile/10097347415407289060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14427229.post-8679650112426669082008-09-12T12:39:00.000-04:002008-09-12T12:39:00.000-04:00It should be against the law for anyone to bring u...It should be against the law for anyone to bring up flash or fehr having breakout years. Stop it! If they both score 10 goals it will be a breakout year for them. Stop talking about their potential, it has been too long. They are disappointments that have proved nothing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14427229.post-69607866103433446262008-09-12T12:01:00.000-04:002008-09-12T12:01:00.000-04:00I'm telling you Flash is going to have a break-out...I'm telling you Flash is going to have a break-out year.<BR/><BR/>15 goals, 45 pointsB19https://www.blogger.com/profile/17994549841566500532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14427229.post-9178873765846442592008-09-12T11:07:00.000-04:002008-09-12T11:07:00.000-04:00I like the even strength points assessment - combi...I like the even strength points assessment - combined with the plus/minus rating, I think that just about covers a player's on ice effectiveness - at even strength. After all, it's about he goals you don't allow as well - see Quint Laing.<BR/>You have to see a player live over many games to fully assess his ability - it is one thing to read Ovechkin stole the puck and scored the GW in Game 1 of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14427229.post-41677791154067905282008-09-12T10:13:00.000-04:002008-09-12T10:13:00.000-04:00That is a seemingly big head shot on my blog. But ...That is a seemingly big head shot on my blog. But the sad truth for me is, that's the actual, real life size of my pinhead. <BR/><BR/>Cheers<BR/>David Staples, The Cult of Hockey.dstapleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04778771114265145395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14427229.post-37470532192009239902008-09-12T09:49:00.000-04:002008-09-12T09:49:00.000-04:00@ Anon: I'd be happy to. If Flash clears 20 goals ...@ Anon: I'd be happy to. If Flash clears 20 goals and 50 points, I'll buy a #14 Fleischmann jersey.JPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13144581988817631208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14427229.post-64396697083673318672008-09-12T09:47:00.000-04:002008-09-12T09:47:00.000-04:00So are you publicly going to eat crow when Fleishm...So are you publicly going to eat crow when Fleishman has a breakout year?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14427229.post-66458545141527707512008-09-12T09:20:00.000-04:002008-09-12T09:20:00.000-04:00First thought: Alex Semin doesn't shoot enough 5-o...First thought: Alex Semin doesn't shoot enough 5-on-5. He plays/waits for the perfect shot way too much. It hurts his numbers.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14235054856583026039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14427229.post-88892715170037120282008-09-12T09:05:00.000-04:002008-09-12T09:05:00.000-04:00I like when stats challenge our preconceived notio...I like when stats challenge our preconceived notions, but everything still has to pass the laugh test.JPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13144581988817631208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14427229.post-91489627931461261662008-09-12T09:00:00.000-04:002008-09-12T09:00:00.000-04:00It's an interesting point you bring up, J.P., and ...It's an interesting point you bring up, J.P., and one I've thought about over the Summer. I like stats, and while they rarely lie, to my eyes they seldom tell the whole story. Would Viktor Kozlov (as a subject of much debate amongst Cap fans) be that effective on a different line? How much does he bring to his line, or is he simply the beneficiary of extra defensive attention paid to Ovechkin? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14427229.post-538677095582071582008-09-12T08:48:00.000-04:002008-09-12T08:48:00.000-04:00With hockey stats, I find that it's really hard so...With hockey stats, I find that it's really hard sometimes to compare players across teams. You have to control for their teammates, linemates, opponents on ice, etc. Bleh.<BR/><BR/>And let's not get into the discussions about second assists. (Look, the fact that a goalie stopping a puck behind the net can get an assist if no more than one other player touches the puck prior to a goal Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14427229.post-39979283261356329312008-09-12T08:25:00.000-04:002008-09-12T08:25:00.000-04:00I would think Ovie's PP numbers are skewed because...I would think Ovie's PP numbers are skewed because he plays on the Point...he's not down low grinding, and at he's being set up a lot for one timers at the circle. He also pretty much plays for the ENTIRE PP, so its gonna give him a lot more time out there than most people.<BR/><BR/>As far as the whole "stats" thing goes, I know its cliche, but I just want the scoreboard with the Caps having theUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04375454099809118713noreply@blogger.com